1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:00:55,520 --> 00:01:01,080 [man] I was the kind of child that was shy, 4 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:04,400 but only outside of my house. 5 00:01:05,519 --> 00:01:10,600 When I was alone in my room, I could feel like myself. 6 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:14,960 But when I was in my room and in front of other people, 7 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:18,760 I felt like I had to put on some sort of front 8 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:21,120 and act like everybody else. 9 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:24,920 But I knew I wasn’t like everybody else. 10 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:29,000 There is a special excitement in the air for the 40,000 fans 11 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:31,120 who are waiting for Madonna to take the stage. 12 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:34,520 As a matter of fact, at every stop along her 90,000-mile tour, 13 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:36,320 Madonna has caused a commotion. 14 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:38,000 [dance music] 15 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:54,320 [cheering] 16 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:05,080 I definitely know why we were picked, why me and Jose were picked. 17 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:08,720 Because she definitely wanted us to choreograph the Vogue video... 18 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:12,240 and then tour after. 19 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:19,640 We already had this vogue thing going on. 20 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:23,480 Our group was quite known 21 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:26,560 in the underground scene in New York City. 22 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:29,400 [man Madonna came to New York to meet us. 23 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:32,360 She was like, “Hey, what’s up? I heard a lot about you 24 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:34,480 and this vogue thing you guys do. 25 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:36,160 I wanna see. Will you show me?” 26 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:37,520 [woman] Very clearly. 27 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:42,280 Jose is very young. He’s talented in many forms of dance. 28 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:45,680 [man] She saw a raw talent. She saw character. 29 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:50,120 Young, artistic expression is the best. 30 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:53,400 Spoke my mind, just like she did. 31 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:58,600 We carried our flamboyance as a warning. 32 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:01,800 Yes, we have earrings on. Yes, we have eyeliner on. 33 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:06,680 But don’t mistake any of this-- [chuckles] for weakness. 34 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:13,240 [man] I remember seeing the ad. 35 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:16,800 I had just had the roughest summer of my life. 36 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:21,240 I had no money to eat. I had no money to, like, get around. 37 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:25,320 I had a terrible highlighted mullet. 38 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:31,120 I’d never seen so many people at an audition. It was madness. 39 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:34,000 It went all the way down the block. 40 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:39,560 [man] I was young and I was hungry and America was new to me. 41 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:44,240 I arrived, uh, June ’87. 42 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:46,160 June 20, ’87. 43 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:48,640 And then after being three years in New York, 44 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:50,640 I got the job with Madonna. 45 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:56,840 This is so wild. I’m panicking right now. Belgium stress. 46 00:03:56,920 --> 00:03:59,720 I always wanted everybody to look at me, like, all the time. 47 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:02,240 Like, dancing, I always wanted to be the best dancer. 48 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:06,160 I wanted to be the best artist. I wanted to be the best at everything, yeah. 49 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:08,880 And with dancing, I mean, I mostly was. 50 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:12,680 [man] I remember getting home 51 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:16,519 and I had a message on my answering machine. 52 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:18,760 No one has answering machines anymore. 53 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:20,279 I answered and it was like, 54 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:23,400 “Um, hi. I’m trying to reach Carlton. This is Madonna.” 55 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:27,240 And I was like, “What the fuck? She called my house.” 56 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:33,080 And she said that she was gonna be going to a club called Club Louis. 57 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:36,320 And she was inviting me to come. 58 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:38,480 And all the boys that were there, you know-- 59 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:41,240 Kevin was there. I remember Oliver was there, Jose and Luis. 60 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:46,560 I think basically the cast that ended up being cast were there that night. 61 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:52,040 Oh, man. I went home and I said, “Mom, I made it.” 62 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:55,960 And I dropped down on my knees and started crying. And that was it. 63 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:00,720 [music playing] 64 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:03,840 [cheering] 65 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:20,120 Strike a pose. 66 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:24,160 [Kevin] For this tour, Madonna had seen a lot of great dancers. 67 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:27,120 So I think once you’ve seen the great dancers, 68 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:30,280 what stands out next is style and personality. 69 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:33,560 There’s a statement that I have always sat with 70 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:36,800 that represented how she dealt with us, 71 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:39,440 and it was-- Give me more of you. 72 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:41,280 Give me more of you. 73 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:42,680 Liberal. 74 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:47,560 Expressive. You know, we were just like what she was into at the time. 75 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:53,080 Pushing buttons and not being afraid to say who we were. 76 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:56,680 ♪ Don’t go for second best, baby ♪ 77 00:05:56,760 --> 00:05:58,880 ♪ Put your love to the test ♪ 78 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:00,840 ♪ You know, you know, you’ve got to ♪ 79 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:03,000 [Carlton] That show was about freedom. 80 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:06,320 Freedom as an artist, freedom as a human being. 81 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:08,120 Freedom in regards to fucking speak the truth. 82 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:09,600 ♪ Express yourself ♪ 83 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:14,000 [Luis] Express yourself, you know, and not be ashamed about it. 84 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:16,320 ♪ Hey, hey, hey, hey ♪ 85 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:21,520 We had our own thing, our own attitude, our own style, our-- 86 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:23,080 We all were brought up differently. 87 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:27,320 Even though the six of them were gay, they all were brought up differently. 88 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:30,320 I mean, we all had a story to tell. 89 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:35,480 ♪ Ah yeah, ah yeah, ah yeah, yeah ♪ 90 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:38,120 ♪ They can say whatever I’m gonna do whatever ♪ 91 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:40,600 ♪ No pain is forever Yup, you know this ♪ 92 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:43,160 ♪ Tougher than a lion Ain’t no need in tryin’ ♪ 93 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:44,960 ♪ I live where the sky ends, yup ♪ 94 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:48,080 [Salim] Oh, my God, we let Oliver have it sometimes, you know. 95 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:50,240 We were all classically trained dancers too. 96 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:54,560 He was the only one who actually just came from kind of like a hip-hop background. 97 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:58,080 We used to call him not like a real dancer, yeah. 98 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:03,000 Before I met them, if someone was gay, 99 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:04,920 I would probably punch him out. 100 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:09,880 [Luis] We saw a leather jacket with lots of colors on it... 101 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:12,400 and he had blond hair. 102 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:17,320 You know we were so fierce and flamboyant ourselves that, you know, 103 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:19,000 that’s the first thing we noticed. 104 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:21,960 You know, the other flamboyant person. 105 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:25,600 Come to find out that the other flamboyant person was not even gay. 106 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:28,640 Of course, everything’s color-coordinated. 107 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:33,720 The sad part is I have more clothes than my wife. 108 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:37,720 The good thing is my wife is not materialistic. 109 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:40,720 Her ring is simple, our life-- 110 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:43,200 Well, her life is simple. My life isn’t. 111 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:46,840 I’m-- I’m just that person. I’ve always been like that. 112 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:48,520 But name a person-- 113 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:56,480 Name a person, name a guy that has pink suede Adidas. 114 00:07:57,200 --> 00:07:58,480 That’s right. 115 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:02,400 [Luis] He certainly didn’t look like a homophobe, 116 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:05,400 as, I mean, not the way he was dressed. 117 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:08,840 You know, how can you be homophobic? 118 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:10,160 I mean... 119 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:13,400 y-you look like a parrot. 120 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:26,280 [Luis] When you’re thrusted into this situation, 121 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:29,000 it is almost like a fishbowl situation. 122 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:33,919 You know, we’re here and then it’s everybody else on the outside. 123 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:36,120 [cheering] 124 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:39,600 [Kevin] It’s a wave of-- 125 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:44,480 It’s a physical wave. It’s a wind of screams. 126 00:08:44,560 --> 00:08:50,280 A gale, like a hurricane of screams and voices, like, hitting you palpably. 127 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:52,440 It’s not like you just hear it in the distance. 128 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:54,320 It’s like hitting you in your face. 129 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:00,880 It was crazy, you know. 130 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:03,760 Not only did we see “We love Madonna” signs out there, 131 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:08,960 but we saw, you know, “We love Kevin,” “We love Carlton,” 132 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:11,640 “We love Luis and Jose,” “We love--” you know... 133 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:14,240 in the audience. 134 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:17,000 [woman] This the first of eight sellout shows 135 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:19,040 that Madonna will be performing in the New York area 136 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:20,560 over the next two weeks. 137 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:22,400 And like everything else that Madonna does, 138 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:24,200 this tour is high on shock value. 139 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:26,400 Spokesmen for rock singer Madonna say 140 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:28,600 metro police and the criminal attorneys office 141 00:09:28,680 --> 00:09:33,800 threatened to arrest the star last night for lewd and obscene behavior. 142 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:38,480 [Madonna] I am aware that the Vatican and certain Catholic communities 143 00:09:38,560 --> 00:09:42,800 are accusing my show of being sinful and blasphemous. 144 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:46,880 That they are trying to keep people from seeing it. 145 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:54,400 Hi, guys. Welcome. 146 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:57,200 Welcome to the home I grew up in. 147 00:09:57,280 --> 00:09:58,920 Okay, come in. 148 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:08,560 This is the room where I stay at now. It’s now like the junk room. 149 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:12,800 -Oh, hi. I’m Jimmy. -This is Jimmy, my boyfriend. 150 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:14,400 -Hi. -His big head. 151 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:16,480 Okay. And come this way. 152 00:10:17,680 --> 00:10:20,000 And this-- this is my mom back there. 153 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:22,360 Mom? [speaking Spanish] 154 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:25,880 -Hi. -That’s my mom. Come on out, please. 155 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:28,480 -Hi. -And that’s the lady, people. 156 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:32,080 [speaking Spanish] 157 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:37,800 She’s saying when we were in Europe-- 158 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:40,360 Uh-huh. [speaking Spanish] 159 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:42,000 that she saw it on the news-- 160 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:44,080 [speaking Spanish] 161 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:49,080 that everyone would call her or-- 162 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:50,840 [speaking Spanish] 163 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:56,080 She’s-- 164 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:04,200 She’s saying that is was a very big deal. It was very controversial, everything. 165 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:06,320 And they were saying how we were Hispanics. 166 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:09,520 And being that we were-- me and Luis were from the Hispanic community-- 167 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:11,200 it was a very big deal. 168 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:13,240 So they would call her, you know, 169 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:15,640 and when she would go out shopping to the grocery store, 170 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:18,400 they’re like, “Oh, my God. We saw your son. Big controversy. 171 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:21,480 He almost got arrested in Europe for being whatever or whatever.” 172 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:25,400 [Madonna] By the time we left Japan, 173 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:28,080 I found myself growing really attached to the dancers, 174 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:32,640 and I started feeling like a mother to them. 175 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:36,080 Gabriel, since you never give me any attitude, 176 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:38,240 you get the oldest and most valuable one. 177 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:39,480 Thank you. 178 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:43,120 Oh, rest in peace. Oh. 179 00:11:44,680 --> 00:11:46,480 Love him. [smacks lips] 180 00:11:46,560 --> 00:11:48,240 Love him so much. 181 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:52,760 These two took care of me: Kevin and Gabriel. 182 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:56,280 They really looked after me when I was on tour. 183 00:11:56,360 --> 00:11:58,680 ’Cause they knew where I came from. 184 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:01,400 Everybody knew what I was about and where I came from, 185 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:02,880 but they always had my back. 186 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:06,560 I’m not saying that the rest of my boys and girls didn’t have my back, 187 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:08,280 but I was a baby. 188 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:13,120 If I can manage to get down back through my shoes. 189 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:15,400 I have a problem I’d say. 190 00:12:18,680 --> 00:12:20,560 What have we got here? 191 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:25,280 Some pictures from the tour. 192 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:29,960 Um... there’s Gabriel. 193 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:31,600 There’s Gabriel. 194 00:12:31,680 --> 00:12:33,280 There I am. 195 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:38,960 [Kevin] He was the unofficial favorite child. 196 00:12:42,560 --> 00:12:47,080 There was something about him that was just, um, peaceful. 197 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:51,400 Like always, like, this peaceful, bright presence. 198 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:55,640 -Oh, here’s my Christmas present. -[man] What’s that? 199 00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:59,160 My Christmas present from Madonna. Years ago. 200 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:03,080 -[man] What does it say? -“For my darling little Asian beauty. 201 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:07,040 Kevin, baby, grab life by the balls and don’t let go.” 202 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:10,600 I’d call them my first family. 203 00:13:10,680 --> 00:13:14,680 You know, besides my-- my, you know, blood relatives, 204 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:17,640 they’re definitely my first family that I really bonded with. 205 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:20,520 ’Cause it was a very formative part of my life. 206 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:24,520 My mom was kind of absent at that point. 207 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:27,720 So, uh, having Madonna around really... 208 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:30,800 did sort of fill that space for me, you know, 209 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:32,600 and I think for her too. 210 00:13:32,680 --> 00:13:36,560 She wanted kids and I sort of-- Not that I wanted a mom, but I certainly-- 211 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:39,640 I liked having somebody that would sort of-- 212 00:13:40,560 --> 00:13:42,320 I knew I could rely on her. 213 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:51,520 [Jose] It was like a friendship-motherly-instinct she felt. 214 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:56,360 You know, when you’re in that element of being a superstar like that, 215 00:13:56,440 --> 00:13:58,840 it’s very hard to find the truth. 216 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:01,680 And-And kids can be very honest. 217 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:05,760 And gay kids can be very, very honest and flamboyant. 218 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:09,480 We’re here! We’re queer! Get used to it! 219 00:14:09,560 --> 00:14:13,680 We’re here! We’re queer! Get used to it! 220 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:16,120 We’re here! We’re queer! Get used to it! 221 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:21,520 There was a lot of misunderstanding towards the gay community at that time, 222 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:24,880 and, you know, it wasn’t readily accepted. 223 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:30,920 It got fun for a little bit, you know, the gay scene, 224 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:34,440 but then, like, with AIDS coming out and HIV, 225 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:36,320 everyone got really scared. 226 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:52,840 I think it was a time where, um... 227 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:54,800 something new was needed. 228 00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:57,040 Something new and artistic. 229 00:14:57,120 --> 00:14:59,000 Something out of the norm. 230 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:02,760 It was timing more than anything in the ’90s. 231 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:06,400 I think it was the time when the world was ready for it. 232 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:12,440 And it would take somebody like Madonna to bring that to the forefront. 233 00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:15,920 Well, get ready, America. Here comes Truth or Dare. 234 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:19,760 Madonna’s Blond Ambition tour this summer turned heads worldwide. 235 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:22,040 Her documentary on the tour is just as steamy 236 00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:24,040 as this exclusive first look indicates. 237 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:26,400 [man] Truth or Dare is shot documentary style. 238 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:29,240 Some of the more revealing scenes are those featuring pillow talk 239 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:31,000 with her backup singers and dancers. 240 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:33,800 There are even scenes with two men kissing. 241 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:38,480 One of the larger purposes of the film really was to kind of... 242 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:41,240 again, push buttons. 243 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:43,400 Do we want to be accepted by Hollywood? 244 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:45,880 No! 245 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:47,960 Do we care what people think of us? 246 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:49,960 No! 247 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:54,240 Our first guests are two of the men who started the vogue craze. 248 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:58,960 They are Madonna’s lead dancers, also featured in the film Truth or Dare. 249 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:01,560 This is Luis and Jose! Come on out! 250 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:03,080 [applauding] 251 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:05,200 -[cheering] -[man] All right. 252 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:13,720 Jose and Luis. 253 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:15,960 Madonna, as these gentlemen have attested, 254 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:20,240 gets to people in the current order and is setting a tone that is destructive. 255 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:23,280 If you look at our society right now, American Western society, 256 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:26,000 we’ve really become a nation of sexual dysfunctionals. 257 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:29,320 Your fans will love the film. Some people are gonna find sections of it offensive. 258 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:32,040 -Well, that’s their problem though. -You don’t care? 259 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:35,120 No, of course not, because, see, these things exist in life. 260 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:38,200 I’m only presenting life to people, you know. 261 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:44,560 I am not presenting anything that probably they’re not exposed to, you know, 262 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:47,240 in everyday life, but maybe they don’t want to deal with it. 263 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:49,600 You know, if you keep putting something in somebody’s face, 264 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:53,240 eventually, you know, maybe they can come to terms with it. 265 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:57,880 [Salim] We were ourselves really. Yeah, and we didn’t care. 266 00:16:57,960 --> 00:17:00,800 We were just ourselves in the movie and in the tour. 267 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:05,040 Yeah. That helped her, I think, reach her goal more too, 268 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:07,520 of the barriers she wanted to break at that time. 269 00:17:07,599 --> 00:17:10,319 -Slam, truth or dare? -Dare. 270 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:11,960 Whoo! 271 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:15,800 French... kiss... Gabriel. 272 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:17,359 Okay! 273 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:19,640 [woman] He’s up. He’s up and he’s ready. 274 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:20,880 [all shouting] 275 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:23,280 Work it! Work it! 276 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:26,760 They wanted that. 277 00:17:26,839 --> 00:17:29,600 -Whoo! Grab that head! -Oh, yeah! Get it done. 278 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:32,200 It’s a hot kiss. It’s, like, I’m sorry. 279 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:35,000 If you see that even as a straight guy, I mean, 280 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:37,880 you wanna kiss a guy after you see that kiss. 281 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:39,560 You know, it’s a hot kiss. 282 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:43,760 And I do think that it has helped in general, 283 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:47,480 that it does-- has helped a lot of guys or girls 284 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:49,720 be more comfortable about their sexuality. 285 00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:56,760 [no audible dialogue] 286 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:05,960 [no audible dialogue] 287 00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:08,680 It’s hard to hear yourself. Can you hear me out there? 288 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:09,920 [cheering] 289 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:12,760 Good. Finally a great audience. 290 00:18:16,360 --> 00:18:18,600 Somebody very special just walked in. 291 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:21,480 A dancer from Madonna’s Blond Ambition tour! 292 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:23,840 [cheering] 293 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:27,640 So glad you’re here. 294 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:31,320 Make some noise, Stonewall! 295 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:33,400 [cheering] 296 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:38,480 [Kevin] This sort of daring and progressive message in this movie 297 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:40,800 was that you can be gay and human. 298 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:42,600 Because up to this point, 299 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:47,480 being gay was to be the other and be subversive and perverse. 300 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:50,680 And all of a sudden, there’s this huge message 301 00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:55,040 that you can be gay and happy and successful 302 00:18:55,120 --> 00:18:58,520 and be full of life and be young, you know. 303 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:01,640 You didn’t have to be hiding in the back alley 304 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:04,320 of some sleazy bar somewhere 305 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:08,560 and hiding out and married and pretending and-- 306 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:13,320 You could be yourself and happy and-and still be gay. 307 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:19,680 I remember watching this movie when I was, like, in middle school, 308 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:20,920 and it was the first-- 309 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:23,080 You know, this was before the Internet. 310 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:26,040 I rented it from the video store, 311 00:19:26,120 --> 00:19:31,120 and it was like the first time that I saw like... gay people. 312 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:35,720 Like, real, like, gay people, just talking un-- uncensored, 313 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:37,720 like, being themselves 314 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:41,040 and with this, you know, amazing woman 315 00:19:41,120 --> 00:19:43,480 who sort of was like, “Yeah, it’s all cool.” 316 00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:45,120 I want to be like those guys. 317 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:46,800 I want to, like... 318 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:52,160 be that sort of free and open and-and-and, you know. 319 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:54,720 Like... you know. 320 00:19:55,360 --> 00:20:00,240 I saw two men kiss for the first time, and I knew that I was okay with that. 321 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:03,440 I grew up in Michigan in the Midwest on a farm. 322 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:07,360 So when I saw the gay kiss, it was the first time I’d ever seen that, 323 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:09,320 and it was very liberating for me. 324 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:12,000 I got this... 325 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:16,920 right at the beginning of the-- this new year. 326 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:21,760 December 30, 2014. 327 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:23,640 “Hi there, Luis. 328 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:27,160 I just wanted to let you know that as a gay kid growing up 329 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:29,560 in a rough part of East LA, 330 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:32,000 I looked up to you so much. 331 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:35,760 I’ll never forget my mother taking me to watch Truth or Dare 332 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:39,040 after school when I was in sixth grade. 333 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:44,000 And watching you and the other dancers on stage with Madonna, 334 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:47,920 I was so relieved that finally I could identify with someone 335 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:50,320 and that all would be okay. 336 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:54,520 I learned all your moves. LOL.” [chuckles] 337 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:57,760 “You guys were and still are my heroes. 338 00:20:57,840 --> 00:21:02,120 You gave me hope when there was none. Thank you, Luis.” 339 00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:04,960 “While flipping channels on TV last night, 340 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:08,960 I stumbled upon a random showing of the movie Truth or Dare. 341 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:12,600 I was instantly taken back to my youth 342 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:15,600 and everything I was dealing with at that point in my life. 343 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:19,240 I grew up in a very small, homogenous town. 344 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:22,880 This movie suddenly opened up a world of possibilities for me.” 345 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:26,800 Wow. Growing up in the Midwest, yeah. 346 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:34,040 And then the whole thing-- I mean, my father was a very strict Muslim. 347 00:21:34,120 --> 00:21:36,720 You know, also, I mean, that was also a time I remember 348 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:40,520 when he moved in with us for a while, that I had to like to-- 349 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:42,280 Because I used to have Barbies too. 350 00:21:42,360 --> 00:21:44,800 That was great. I loved Barbies when I was little. 351 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:47,120 And I actually could buy them with my mom. 352 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:50,640 But when my father came in the picture for a couple years, 353 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:55,720 um, I had to kind of hide them, yeah, but I never threw them away. 354 00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:59,080 But I hide them somewhere. Yeah, I remember that actually now, yeah. 355 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:01,160 Then when my mom and dad split up, 356 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:05,560 I could totally like play with them again and do more girlie things, yeah. 357 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:08,400 Estoy caliente. 358 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:10,880 [cheering] 359 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:13,320 ¿Estáis calientes? 360 00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:15,080 - ¡Sí! - ¿Sí? 361 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:16,840 - ¡Sí! - ¿Sí? 362 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:18,240 ¡Sí! 363 00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:19,720 Whoo! 364 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:21,880 Oh, my God! 365 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:24,600 Oh, rubbers! Condoms, I mean! 366 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:26,480 -Hey. -Hi, you guys! 367 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:28,640 -Hey, truth or dare? -Truth or dare? 368 00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:29,760 Truth or dare? 369 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:30,920 You want to fuck us? 370 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:33,480 [laughing] 371 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:39,320 You never really get to know a guy until you ask him to wear a condom. 372 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:41,760 -That’s right! -That’s right! 373 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:46,480 Hey, you! Don’t be silly! Put a condom on your willy! 374 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:48,360 -[music starts] -Okay? 375 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:51,160 At the time that we had the tour, I think, 376 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:55,760 these issues of homosexuality, gay rights and AIDS prevention 377 00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:58,320 and sexuality and sexual power, 378 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:00,960 I think they were all in the forefront of her mind, 379 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:06,400 because-- because of her friends’ deaths, you know. 380 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:16,240 [Madonna] Now, you probably know Keith Haring as an artist. 381 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:21,640 But I know him as a man who had the courage to tell the truth. 382 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:24,560 The truth is, he was gay. 383 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:27,440 The truth is, he had AIDS... 384 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:31,600 and he said so to anybody who would listen. 385 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:39,640 In memory of Keith, let’s tell ourselves the truth. 386 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:42,280 Let’s tell it to each other. 387 00:23:42,360 --> 00:23:44,360 Let’s face it together. 388 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:38,680 I learned so much. Man, I learned so much from them. 389 00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:41,640 I thank the Lord. Madonna-- I got on tour with her, 390 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:46,840 because I went from being homophobic to loving everybody. 391 00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:52,480 I know that they may not be aware of it, but so many years have gone by... 392 00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:55,960 but, yeah, I carry them in a very special place, those guys. 393 00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:01,600 You don’t think about the moment when that it’s over that it’s over. 394 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:04,880 And it’s a hard knock down. I’m sorry. It’s very hard, yeah. 395 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:08,920 That’s why I was so emotional at the end to the movie. Crying, yeah. 396 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:15,440 Great time... 397 00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:18,760 with each other. 398 00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:24,280 Growing up with each other, like-- 399 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:27,800 like we grew up together, it felt like. 400 00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:31,440 In a such short period of time. 401 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:36,000 Such a symbolic-- we were so young-- symbolic time for me. 402 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:40,240 I can imagine for them, growing up, so young. 403 00:25:46,120 --> 00:25:49,560 Each one of us would have taken a bullet for each one of us. 404 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:52,160 For each person. That’s how close we were. 405 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:57,520 I wanted it to continue forever, you know. 406 00:25:57,600 --> 00:25:59,600 Who wanted to get off that ride? Not me. 407 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:01,920 [cheering] 408 00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:08,960 Strike a pose. 409 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:10,560 [cheering] 410 00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:52,920 [chuckles] 411 00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:00,400 And good. 412 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:01,600 Better. Yeah. 413 00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:05,200 Good. Ho, ho. 414 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:09,160 Nice. A little right. Good. 415 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:12,440 You know, you’ve had a tough life and very hard to break 416 00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:15,880 and some energy kind of taking over you. 417 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:20,000 That’s nice, Jennifer, yes. Good. 418 00:27:21,360 --> 00:27:25,600 [Salim] The movie Truth or Dare, that was the backstage reality 419 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:27,280 of what was going on on the tour, 420 00:27:27,360 --> 00:27:30,920 but then there was a whole other backstage that you didn’t get to see. 421 00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:34,760 And that obviously that none of us was ready to talk about. 422 00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:58,120 Wow. 423 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:11,360 [Carlton] When you look in the mirror, before I go do the show, 424 00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:13,960 back then, I’m looking at myself going, 425 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:16,040 “You know that you’re a liar.” 426 00:28:18,360 --> 00:28:23,400 Nobody in that crew, in that team, nobody knew my secret. 427 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:27,240 He’ll be in there in a moment, okay? All right. 428 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:31,000 Ahh. 429 00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:32,760 Okay. 430 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:37,520 What do you look for when you just do that? 431 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:39,360 So a lot of things. 432 00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:41,680 I’m looking at what’s going on inside your mouth. 433 00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:43,880 Um, just anything specifically. 434 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:46,280 Um, looking at your throat. 435 00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:49,640 Um, specifically related to HIV. 436 00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:52,680 Um, you look at, uh, the edges of the tongue, 437 00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:55,960 ’cause there’s something that people get called hairy leukoplakia. 438 00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:58,360 -Um... -What does that look-- What is that? 439 00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:03,480 It’s like little white sort of growths along the side of the tongue. Swallow. 440 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:08,920 [Carlton] I had gotten, like, a cramp 441 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:12,160 or something was happening with my body when we were in Japan. 442 00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:15,640 And I went to the doctor that they sent me to, 443 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,440 and they saw something off 444 00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:21,240 and they said they were going to have to tell her. 445 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:27,280 And I was like, “There’s no fucking way you will tell them anything.” 446 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:31,240 I was petrified after that. 447 00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:34,120 You know, you never really get to know a guy 448 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:36,440 until you ask him to wear a condom. 449 00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:39,000 -That’s right! -That’s right! 450 00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:43,640 Hey, you! Don’t be silly! Put a condom on your willy! 451 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:49,360 [Carlton] The irony for me was, like, I’m in a production to express yourself. 452 00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:53,920 I wasn’t really being that at all with myself. 453 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:35,320 I like this a lot. 454 00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:40,360 Of course, he looks so happy, and he was still in favor. 455 00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:48,200 I just hope that he’d be remembered for, you know, his-- his dancing. 456 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:54,680 But, um, it’s unfortunate that he’ll be remembered for the Truth or Dare scene. 457 00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:57,160 -[man] The kiss? -The kiss, yes. 458 00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:59,640 [all shouting] 459 00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:02,760 [woman] He was embarrassed and he was, um, 460 00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:06,760 ashamed of being caught off guard like that. 461 00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:12,720 He wasn’t there yet. He wasn’t ready. 462 00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:18,600 He wasn’t holding that flag and trying to make it more acceptable to anyone. 463 00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:22,720 He just wanted to live his life and not, um... 464 00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:27,560 uh, be an advocate for something. 465 00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:30,720 It wasn’t a statement that he wanted to make. 466 00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:32,840 It was-- It was her statement. 467 00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:41,400 [Kevin] She loved Gabriel. 468 00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:45,280 I don’t think it was ever her intention to hurt him. 469 00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:47,920 - She liked him too much. -[no audible dialogue] 470 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:49,480 I just think life is unfair. 471 00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:53,000 Like, here I am, this person everybody thinks I have everything I want, right? 472 00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:54,640 I want you and can’t have you. 473 00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:56,880 He begged her not to use it, 474 00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:01,960 and, um, she just wouldn’t, uh, relent. 475 00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:07,080 This is, um, Gabriel’s lawsuit against Madonna. 476 00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:13,120 This is the deposition that was given under oath to the lawyers. 477 00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:18,040 “Before this, at least, you wouldn’t look at me and say ‘He’s gay.’ 478 00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:20,240 You would have no idea I was 479 00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:23,120 unless you were a close friend or I chose to tell. 480 00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:26,480 During dinner at a restaurant, 481 00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:28,960 I was telling her how this is hurting me emotionally, 482 00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:30,760 that it was a problem. 483 00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:34,480 This is when she told me I’m just ashamed of myself. 484 00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:38,040 Question: She said you were ashamed of yourself? 485 00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:41,160 Answer: Yes, she told me I was ashamed of myself. 486 00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:42,920 She told me to get over it.” 487 00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:45,600 [Maury Povich] Please welcome Madonna’s dancers from Truth or Dare, 488 00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:47,400 Kevin Stea and Oliver Crumes 489 00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:50,440 and the attorney representing them in their lawsuit, Debra Johnson. 490 00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:55,120 Oliver and I were in the same boat. 491 00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:57,040 It was literally the clause in our contract. 492 00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:00,080 Gabriel, however, was in a very unique position. 493 00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:04,560 He was basically suing for forced outing. 494 00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:07,480 Gabriel is not here today. He’s the third dancer 495 00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:10,240 -who’s-who’s also involved in this suit. -Exactly. 496 00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:13,000 Along with Oliver and Kevin. 497 00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:15,960 We’ve been pursuing this since the moment we got off tour. Since-- 498 00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:19,520 [Kevin] The clause is for a certain amount of money to be paid for us. 499 00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:21,760 No, not really. I just feel that, um-- 500 00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:24,560 We weren’t in court, but we was in this office. 501 00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:29,720 And there was me, Kevin and Gabriel and Madonna sitting across from us. 502 00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:35,720 And I just-- I felt bad, but I’m looking at her, like, going, “Really, Madonna?” 503 00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:40,000 I mean, do we have to go through this, you know? 504 00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:43,640 And her look on her face was like, “How could you guys do this to me?” 505 00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:45,680 But we’re looking like, 506 00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:48,680 “Well, in a way... 507 00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:51,720 if it wasn’t for us... 508 00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:54,880 there would be no movie.” 509 00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,280 -Did you ever try to work it out? -Yes. 510 00:33:57,360 --> 00:33:58,560 What did she say to you? 511 00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:01,280 I sent her a very personal letter saying that I wanted to talk. 512 00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:04,760 I wanted to negotiate. I loved her and missed her and I wanted to see her again. 513 00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:08,960 And the response I got was, “You’re on my... list.” 514 00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:30,520 Yeah, this is-- 515 00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:32,120 Oh, wow! 516 00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:36,360 All this stuff. Photos. 517 00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:37,639 Ah. 518 00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:42,440 This is it. This is recording artist Jose and Luis. 519 00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:44,360 Huh? Queen’s English. 520 00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:45,679 Yeah. 521 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:48,679 [Luis] As soon as we got to New York, 522 00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:55,159 we were riding this local celebrity fame kind of thing. 523 00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:59,080 And so we decided to, you know-- to do a record. 524 00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:01,840 [dance] 525 00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:06,640 -♪ Hey, Luis ♪ -♪ Yeah? ♪ 526 00:35:06,720 --> 00:35:08,680 -♪ Hey, Luis ♪ -♪ Yeah? ♪ 527 00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:10,560 -♪ Introduce yourself ♪ -♪ All right ♪ 528 00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:11,880 ♪ Introduce yourself ♪ 529 00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:13,800 ♪ All right, my name is Luis ♪ 530 00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:16,040 ♪ I come from downtown ♪ 531 00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:18,400 ♪ And I get down ♪ 532 00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:20,400 ♪ And I know it ♪ 533 00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:24,240 [Luis] She helped us. She did, you know, some backup vocals for us. 534 00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:27,800 Which was great. I mean, she was really generous. 535 00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:32,960 [Madonna] ♪ If you can’t speak Queen’s English ♪ 536 00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:36,960 ♪ If you can’t read Queen’s English ♪ 537 00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:41,240 ♪ If you can’t speak Queen’s English ♪ 538 00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:42,560 ♪ Then just live it ♪ 539 00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:44,520 [Luis] It’s easy to, uh, 540 00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:48,880 lose touch with reality when you’re living in this kind of, like, 541 00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:51,400 celeb bubble. 542 00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:56,360 Life got in my way. 543 00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:01,080 I think Luis got in my way. 544 00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:03,240 [indistinct] 545 00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:05,480 Hey, is that the material babe right there? 546 00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:07,680 [Oliver] When I got off the tour, I was bigheaded. 547 00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:11,120 I walked around like my shit didn’t stink. I’m not gonna lie. 548 00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:18,760 Even when I moved to Vegas in ’94, I was the man. 549 00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:24,000 I was in my show Splash. 550 00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:28,400 One of the best dance shows that was-- that was in Vegas. 551 00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:30,320 They had a Madonna impersonator. 552 00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:34,920 I got to perform and choreograph my spot. 553 00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:40,080 I used to come down here every night. I never missed a club, ever. 554 00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:46,520 I went to clubs. Everybody knew me. 555 00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:49,960 It was wonderful. I didn’t had to pay for drinks. 556 00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:53,400 I was drinking very heavily. 557 00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:56,760 I would, every day, buy a bottle of vodka. 558 00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:00,600 I would go buy the cheapest vodka. I didn’t even care. 559 00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:38,480 [Salim] You just go out, you know, with Jose. 560 00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:41,920 We partied a lot. We would just go out. We go to a club. 561 00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:45,840 Hang out with the House of Xtravaganza. We could have a little house party there. 562 00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:48,800 And then we just go all over town and party, yeah. 563 00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:59,720 When you’re in that-- in that bubble, 564 00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:04,360 you just don’t take care about anything, you don’t care about anybody. 565 00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:08,480 [Luis] In the beginning, it was very glamorous. 566 00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:12,880 And everybody is beautiful and looks beautiful and wears expensive clothes. 567 00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,280 And we are in expensive settings. 568 00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:20,680 And so, you know, the drugs look glamorous. 569 00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:26,160 As soon as the drugs become more important... 570 00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:31,480 the less glamorous they become. 571 00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:35,560 And so you start doing it in less glamorous places. 572 00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:48,560 It got as bad as, you know, me living in an apartment, 573 00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:51,840 you know, with two crates and a television... 574 00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:56,120 and a closet full of expensive clothes. 575 00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:00,560 [Salim] I was very mean. 576 00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:03,080 I don’t want to see this one. I don’t care about that one. 577 00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:06,120 Just cutting off your feelings. That’s what I did. 578 00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:10,440 I didn’t care about anybody. I just lived in the moment, 579 00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:15,160 doing all those things that I always did just not to think about anything. 580 00:39:15,240 --> 00:39:18,400 [man] That sounds like you almost don’t have a life. 581 00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:21,720 Yeah, it wasn’t a life. It wasn’t a life. It was going out partying. 582 00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:25,960 Sometimes, you know, I didn’t have the funds, so I would go out too. 583 00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:29,360 Oh, it was just terrible. And then sometimes, you know, 584 00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:32,680 just not having a place to sleep neither and then, you know, I would-- 585 00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:34,240 I could always in the club. 586 00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:37,240 I was like, “Please, let me find somebody where I could crash.” 587 00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:40,560 It’s mostly because I had a lot of friends and I could crash somewhere. 588 00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:43,920 But a lot of times, I had no place to live neither. It was horrible. 589 00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:46,800 It was such a-- And I didn’t-- What I’m gonna do? Call my mom? 590 00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:49,400 “Listen, Mom, I don’t have anywhere to live.” 591 00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:54,040 You know, so I never wanted to-- I think I did it not to hurt her neither. 592 00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:59,760 But I was hurting her much more by not telling her what actually was happening. 593 00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:39,000 [woman] I remember sending him off to New York and just crying in the car, 594 00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:41,320 that he was at risk. 595 00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:44,640 And, uh... 596 00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:48,520 what-- what did I need to tell him? 597 00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:51,200 What else was there to say? 598 00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:53,640 “Be careful.” 599 00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:57,400 And yet it didn’t work. 600 00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:02,480 [Kevin] I didn’t know that Gabriel was HIV positive or had AIDS, 601 00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:04,320 ’cause he didn’t say it. 602 00:41:05,240 --> 00:41:10,200 When I went to Italy, I had called quite often from the set. 603 00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:14,560 Like, after the show, I would call, almost every Sunday. 604 00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:17,840 And then I called and his mom answered. 605 00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:19,920 And I said, “Oh, is Gabriel there?” 606 00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:23,280 She said, “No, and he never will be again.” 607 00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:27,960 And I was like, “What? 608 00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:32,440 What are you telling me right now?” 609 00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:37,720 He didn’t tell me until he couldn’t not tell me anymore and... 610 00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:44,160 I-- It-It-It was a gift, but in a way, 611 00:41:44,240 --> 00:41:46,920 but one that I regret that he had to, um... 612 00:41:48,240 --> 00:41:52,680 you know, that he-- that he had to, uh, keep it a secret, 613 00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:56,440 and what that must have felt worrying about having to tell. 614 00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:00,960 It was terrifying. 615 00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:06,640 It was terrifying enough to scare people into silence. 616 00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:16,240 It was a silent battle that-that you carried by yourself. 617 00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,240 Some days I’d come in and he’d be crying, 618 00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:24,800 and... he’d be, you know, uh... 619 00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:29,240 just inconsolable... 620 00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:35,960 and-and scared of, you know, being in pain and... 621 00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:37,880 Um... 622 00:42:41,240 --> 00:42:47,120 Just worrying about what was next, what was gonna happen next. 623 00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:49,960 And he just became, you know, less... 624 00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:53,480 You know, I remember him talking to the dogs, 625 00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:57,320 and he said the dogs stopped listening to you 626 00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:00,440 because your voice changes when you get that sick 627 00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:02,280 and you don’t have the power in your voice. 628 00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:04,640 And so you become a different person. 629 00:43:04,720 --> 00:43:07,720 And the dogs picked up and they wouldn’t listen to him, 630 00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:10,240 ’cause they could tell he was sick. 631 00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:12,880 And-- And, uh... 632 00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:17,360 So in every way he changed, you know. 633 00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:20,880 And from this, you know, beautiful, robust... 634 00:43:22,240 --> 00:43:27,760 young man to this, you know, sickly creature. 635 00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:30,080 [no audio] 636 00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:39,120 [man] Do you think Gabriel knew he was HIV positive during the tour? 637 00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:40,800 [mother] Yeah, I think he did. 638 00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:42,160 Yeah. 639 00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:47,640 It was hard for Gabriel to, um, be honest about being gay 640 00:43:47,720 --> 00:43:50,800 and then honest about being infected. 641 00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:55,840 So he had to keep a big part of himself closeted. 642 00:43:55,920 --> 00:44:02,680 And so there’s that irony with the message of the, uh, tour. 643 00:44:03,240 --> 00:44:07,840 But when he was dancing, he was able to really be loose, 644 00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:14,160 and it was a safe way to-- to be expressive. 645 00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:18,600 So I think he took refuge in dance 646 00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:21,720 as a way to be himself 647 00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:25,040 without having to reveal these other things. 648 00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:30,400 Sorry. 649 00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:43,080 Okay. 650 00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:46,120 [man] What are you thinking about? 651 00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:49,880 [sniffles] 652 00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:57,480 Just Gabriel and Carlton. 653 00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:03,400 Okay. 654 00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:05,160 Okay. 655 00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:13,000 Okay. 656 00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:18,320 [man] Do you wish they had told you? 657 00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:21,400 Yeah, ’cause it’d have been okay. 658 00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:23,880 It’d have been okay. 659 00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:29,520 [pills rattling] 660 00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:02,480 [man on TV] And-- And move on. 661 00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:07,840 Because there’s such a great, great power in learning to love. 662 00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:10,120 [Oprah Winfrey] Well, that is our show for tonight. 663 00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:12,080 Tweet me or e-mail us. 664 00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:14,920 Who would you like to see on Where Are They Now? 665 00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:17,120 Thanks for watching. We’ll see you next week. 666 00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:20,000 [Carlton] When I got diagnosed in 1985, 667 00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:24,400 you know, I already had a massive loop for-- 668 00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:28,520 85, 6, 7, 8, 9, 1990-- five years. 669 00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:34,880 I was just ramped with, you know, fear and hatred of those lepers. 670 00:46:35,720 --> 00:46:37,320 That’s what it felt like. 671 00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:42,880 The internal storm was just trying 672 00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:48,320 to fake your way to be accepted. 673 00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:52,600 Faking that you’re strong. Faking that you are confident. 674 00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:56,000 Faking that you think you look good. 675 00:46:56,080 --> 00:47:01,000 Faking that you believe people really care about you. 676 00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:04,080 Faking almost all of it. 677 00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:10,360 [man] I wanna go over a few of the-- 678 00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:13,840 just a couple of the people that you’ve worked with in your long career. 679 00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:16,200 Prince, Ricky Martin, Janet Jackson, David Bowie, 680 00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:20,120 Céline Dion, George Michael, Lady Gaga, Beyoncé. 681 00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:22,440 But I do want to go over-- 682 00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:26,080 How did it come about that you even started working with Madonna? 683 00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:28,360 I think a lot of people know you best 684 00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:31,720 from, you know, the Blond Ambition tour and Truth or Dare. 685 00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:32,680 So how... 686 00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:35,680 [Kevin] I started getting quite depressed about the whole situation. 687 00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:39,280 As much as I would try to just sort of like push it to the background 688 00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:44,240 and ignore the lawsuit or what happened, 689 00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:47,280 um, she’s the most visible person in the world. 690 00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:48,640 [chuckles] Like, everywhere. 691 00:47:48,720 --> 00:47:50,760 You know, on every cover of every magazine. 692 00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:53,640 There are pictures of her everywhere. People talking about her all the time. 693 00:47:53,720 --> 00:47:56,600 People coming to me to talk about her all the time. 694 00:47:56,680 --> 00:48:01,680 And what came up-- Whenever she came up in conversation 695 00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:05,240 was that somebody in the world is mad at me. 696 00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:13,480 I suffered a lot over not having her in my life. 697 00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:16,360 You know, not as a boss, 698 00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:19,120 but literally just as a person in my life 699 00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:23,000 that I admired and loved and could relate to. 700 00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:42,520 Corner. 701 00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:44,320 Corner. 702 00:48:51,240 --> 00:48:52,160 Soup? 703 00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:58,360 [Oliver] I almost lost my family. I had to beg for my family back. 704 00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:01,880 My mother, my father, my brother and sister. 705 00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:04,480 Um, because I act like I was all that. 706 00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:08,520 I did the right thing. I stopped drinking. 707 00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:11,960 But then I was-- ’Cause it was gonna be cold turkey. So... 708 00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:14,800 But obviously, you know-- ’Cause years later he got... 709 00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:18,280 -Oh. In 2006. -...what they called Bell’s palsy. 710 00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:20,000 And sometimes you can see it. 711 00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:23,720 So when you smile, you can kind of see that this part is not as big 712 00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:26,960 and that eye is really squinted sometimes, especially when he gets tired. 713 00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:29,680 It’s the nervous system, you know, and-- 714 00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:31,880 Two times in my life something bad happened. 715 00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:35,280 They told him and me, “Oh, it’s just something that can happen. 716 00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:37,480 One out of a hundred people get it.” 717 00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:39,360 It can happen to anybody. 718 00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:42,840 However, we always think it’s probably because you had the seizures, 719 00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:45,320 and your nervous system was in shock, you know. 720 00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:47,720 But it can happen to you right now, as we’re talking. 721 00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:51,240 They say anybody-- No, you kind of have-- you wake up with it. 722 00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:52,400 You wake up with it. My bad. 723 00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:54,040 Or you have a dramatic moment 724 00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:56,640 and your face can kind of pause in one spot. 725 00:49:56,720 --> 00:49:58,120 And it-- And... 726 00:49:58,200 --> 00:49:59,800 -The whole face. -Yeah. 727 00:49:59,880 --> 00:50:00,800 I woke up-- 728 00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:02,920 -He couldn’t blink his eye. -I couldn’t blink my eye. 729 00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:06,080 I woke up, you know, talking like this. 730 00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:09,000 [Salim] Hey, how are you? 731 00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:10,960 -Good class. -Thank you. 732 00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:19,800 Hey. How are you? 733 00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:22,240 How is everybody? 734 00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:24,240 -[woman singing an aria] -And pull it up again. 735 00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:26,920 One more time, all the way down. 736 00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:32,000 And plié. 737 00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:34,680 Slowly roll it up again. 738 00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:38,040 Stay in a plié. Push your hips all the way forward. 739 00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:39,120 Good. 740 00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:43,040 And roll it up again. Last variation. 741 00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:44,840 All the way down. 742 00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:49,800 It’s hard because I never talked about it before, 743 00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:52,880 and this is the first time, so... [sobs] 744 00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:56,880 Also, um, in 1987-- 745 00:50:56,960 --> 00:50:59,280 Uh, must have been, like, around in, uh-- 746 00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:01,680 uh, must be around December, 747 00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:04,680 uh, I wasn’t feeling well, and it was something with my kidneys. 748 00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:05,880 And I was already in New York. 749 00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:10,840 And I didn’t have insurance here, so I went to Belgium to get checked, 750 00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:15,080 and it was something with my kidney, but they fixed it and it was all okay. 751 00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:17,840 They did some drainage or something, and they said it was no problem. 752 00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:21,240 But for some reason the day before I left, I got another call, 753 00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:23,680 and they asked me to come back to the hospital 754 00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:25,480 because they wanted to talk to me. 755 00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:27,880 And I was like, “Oh, well, that’s odd.” 756 00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:29,560 So me and my mom went. 757 00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:32,000 I don’t remember where the hospital is in. 758 00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:35,360 It was close to Antwerp. And I went to the hospital. 759 00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:37,600 I remember me and my mom going into the room 760 00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:39,720 and the doctor talking to us, 761 00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:42,400 and that’s where he told me, “Yeah, I’m sorry, sir, 762 00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:44,720 but I’m sad to tell you that you’re HIV.” 763 00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:53,160 When you have somebody telling you, 764 00:51:53,240 --> 00:51:55,720 “You know, listen, you’re only going to live five to 10 years”-- 765 00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:59,120 I mean, everybody was dropping like flies. 766 00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:05,360 I totally blanked it out. I didn’t want to talk about it. 767 00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:07,400 My mom promised me she wouldn’t tell anybody, 768 00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:09,480 so it was just between us two. 769 00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:13,560 Even till to this day, nobody knows, you know. 770 00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:16,600 No, I’ve always kept it a secret. 771 00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:22,840 It was such a dark, dark time in my life. So dark. Dark. 772 00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:26,960 It brought me to so many, like, dark places too, you know. 773 00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:29,920 And not be able to work and the partying 774 00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:31,320 and just like, “Am I going to get sick?” 775 00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:34,440 And then this friend dies and that one dies, you know. 776 00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:36,560 And then I’m losing weight. “Wait. Am I okay?” 777 00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:39,880 Constantly looking at myself. “Oh, my God, do I look sick?” 778 00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:41,440 And no outlet, you know. 779 00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:44,080 That was always the hardest, you know. It was hard. 780 00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:45,480 And sometimes-- 781 00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:48,720 You know, no place to live too, you know. It was terrible, you know. 782 00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:50,760 But still, I didn’t want to leave this country. 783 00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:54,280 What was I going to do, go back to Belgium and do what? You know. 784 00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:55,480 And I didn’t call my mom. 785 00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:57,840 It’s like, “Hey, Mom, look, I’m doing a lot of drugs, you know. 786 00:52:57,920 --> 00:52:59,280 And now-- 787 00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:00,840 Sorry, Mom. I know.” 788 00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:05,520 I’m doing this too because I think a lot of people are probably in this situation 789 00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:07,320 or have been in this situation, you know. 790 00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:11,360 And even if I can touch one person, you know, it would mean the world to me, 791 00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:12,840 because I know it’s a bitch. 792 00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:15,480 And if you have nobody-- And I’m a strong person, you know, 793 00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:18,080 and I think I survived it too because I’m strong. 794 00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:19,760 But not everybody is strong like that, 795 00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:23,240 because it fucks with your head very badly. 796 00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:24,800 [man] Bring it back down. 797 00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:27,040 Nice. Chin down. Get that little smile in the eyes. 798 00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:28,680 -[camera shutter clicking] -What’s your secret? 799 00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:31,680 Tip your head a little straighter. 800 00:53:32,080 --> 00:53:33,760 Right there. Chin down even more. Good. 801 00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:35,360 -[camera shutter clicks] -Stay there. 802 00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:40,800 Even after my show with her was done, I was still in fake mode, you know. 803 00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:43,440 But I was still in the world, even though the tour has ended. 804 00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:47,200 I’m still in the world trying to represent what they saw me as, 805 00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:49,640 which was super Iron Man. 806 00:53:49,720 --> 00:53:52,480 Kill it all and knock it all down. 807 00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:55,120 When I knew that I wasn’t that. I knew that I wasn’t that. 808 00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:59,120 ’Cause when I had my other moments, I was petrified. 809 00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:04,160 And I was proving that I was weak because I wasn’t standing up for myself. 810 00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:09,800 That’s been a very, um... 811 00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:17,920 gripping thing to have to undo. 812 00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:21,400 From me to me. 813 00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:28,600 [no audio] 814 00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:46,600 If I was rested in who I was, 815 00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:49,600 it wouldn’t matter to get excessive attention all the time. 816 00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:51,320 At a restaurant. You know? 817 00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:54,080 I’m at a restaurant with you, but then, who’s that over there? 818 00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:56,840 And I’ve got to be super charming so they say something, 819 00:54:56,920 --> 00:55:01,800 and then I gotta give somebody else a something so they are locked in on me. 820 00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:04,680 That’s a lot of fucking stuff. 821 00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:15,120 It was really interesting to watch myself crumble into nothingness. 822 00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:18,600 With, like, being afraid to go out. 823 00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:23,120 I mean, I literally just became so small. 824 00:56:11,560 --> 00:56:14,360 [crowd cheering on video] 825 00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:20,360 [Madonna] I love you too. I wanted to say something. 826 00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:22,760 Oh, my God, I look so uncomfortable. 827 00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:25,120 Nails. 828 00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:29,520 ...who was a friend of mine who died of AIDS a couple of months ago. 829 00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:33,560 Now, you probably know Keith Haring as an artist. 830 00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:37,160 -[crowd cheering] -The face already. I look petrified. 831 00:56:37,240 --> 00:56:39,560 ...who had the courage to tell the truth. 832 00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:42,480 The truth is, he was gay. 833 00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:47,640 The truth is, he had AIDS and he said so 834 00:56:47,720 --> 00:56:50,040 to anybody who would listen. 835 00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:55,560 In memory of Keith, let’s tell ourselves the truth. 836 00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:58,120 Let’s tell it to each other. 837 00:56:58,200 --> 00:57:00,280 [crowd cheering] 838 00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:02,440 And can’t wait to get off. 839 00:57:15,120 --> 00:57:20,840 [man] What do you think that the tour with Madonna has meant in Jose’s life? 840 00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:23,480 [speaking Spanish] 841 00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:40,080 She feels that I still should be dancing with her. 842 00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:42,960 That I still should be there is what she feels. 843 00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:44,880 And that’s when it was good. 844 00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:47,800 [speaking Spanish] 845 00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:54,720 She says-- She doesn’t under-- 846 00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:07,760 She’s saying that I should have just kept on dancing with Madonna, with everybody, 847 00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:10,080 because I had a lot of opportunities. 848 00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:12,760 And she says that the same door that I opened 849 00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:14,880 is that I also closed on myself. 850 00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:17,920 A month ago. It was a Saturday or Sunday. 851 00:58:18,680 --> 00:58:22,360 And we-- I went over to her house by myself. 852 00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:26,680 And... just hung out with her. 853 00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:32,240 And we went to the store to buy magazines. 854 00:58:34,560 --> 00:58:38,160 And we got photographed. It was like a paparazzi moment. 855 00:58:41,600 --> 00:58:45,520 I think that was one of the last times I saw her, 856 00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:49,720 you know, when all that was going down. 857 00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:53,160 You know, the heroin and all that stuff was going down. 858 00:58:54,600 --> 00:58:58,840 She told me that, um, you know-- 859 00:58:58,920 --> 00:59:00,520 that I need to get help, 860 00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:02,840 that we-- that we need to get help. 861 00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:07,400 But, um, more importantly, that I needed to get help. 862 00:59:08,080 --> 00:59:09,840 And, you know... 863 00:59:12,040 --> 00:59:15,600 that’s one of the reasons why she started to... 864 00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:20,480 slowly back away from us. 865 00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:26,960 I think that’s the moment I realized, 866 00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:31,760 “Oh, no, I don’t think I’m going to, you know, be seeing her.” 867 00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:34,040 And there was something in my consciousness 868 00:59:34,120 --> 00:59:37,320 or in my, you know-- in the back of my consciousness 869 00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:40,480 that says this is where it starts to... 870 00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:42,640 fade. 871 00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:44,800 [speaking Spanish] 872 00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:48,000 She’s saying when I was little-- 873 01:00:03,120 --> 01:00:04,120 Uh-huh. 874 01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:10,600 One time she saw a picture of a house in a postcard, 875 01:00:10,680 --> 01:00:12,200 and she had shown it to me, 876 01:00:12,280 --> 01:00:14,880 saying this is the house that one day you will buy me. 877 01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:16,360 [speaking Spanish] 878 01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:19,280 And then it bothered her because she thought that those... 879 01:00:19,360 --> 01:00:21,760 [speaking Spanish] 880 01:00:21,840 --> 01:00:23,960 She thought that I had an opportunity to could give her that. 881 01:00:24,040 --> 01:00:26,880 [speaking Spanish] 882 01:00:38,600 --> 01:00:42,000 Saying that I did so much, done so many big things. 883 01:00:44,040 --> 01:00:46,680 And she’s saying that I should have just continued. 884 01:00:47,640 --> 01:00:49,720 I never got to get her that house. 885 01:00:50,680 --> 01:00:52,840 [speaking Spanish] 886 01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:02,600 She said that that bothered her a lot. 887 01:01:02,680 --> 01:01:05,760 ’Cause she’s saying that I could have had that, such a great opportunity. 888 01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:10,560 And she feels-- still wants that house one day. 889 01:01:10,640 --> 01:01:13,760 [man] What does your mother think that went wrong with you? 890 01:01:13,840 --> 01:01:16,280 She doesn’t even know what went wrong. 891 01:01:16,360 --> 01:01:18,840 She just knows that a lot of things. 892 01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:23,600 I just disappeared and went off and lived my life, you know. 893 01:01:23,680 --> 01:01:28,440 And, like, she doesn’t even know the half of a lot of the things, you know. 894 01:01:32,160 --> 01:01:33,920 [speaking Spanish] 895 01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:37,640 [man] She would have wanted you to continue. 896 01:01:37,720 --> 01:01:41,640 To continue my career that I studied since a kid. 897 01:01:42,120 --> 01:01:44,520 -Do you feel the same way? -Yeah. 898 01:01:44,600 --> 01:01:46,720 I would be stupid not to. 899 01:01:50,640 --> 01:01:52,240 Absolutely. 900 01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:56,320 [speaking Spanish] 901 01:01:57,000 --> 01:01:59,360 -She’s saying-- -What do you think that happened-- 902 01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:02,920 Why weren’t you able to continue that path? 903 01:02:03,680 --> 01:02:07,040 I wasn’t unable to continue because I became insecure. 904 01:02:07,120 --> 01:02:12,600 I became hurt of so many things in love and in life. 905 01:02:12,680 --> 01:02:14,040 You know? 906 01:02:14,120 --> 01:02:17,840 Started to doubt myself about things 907 01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:22,520 and wondering if I was going to die next and things like that. 908 01:02:22,600 --> 01:02:23,960 You know? 909 01:02:24,040 --> 01:02:26,560 Yeah, there was a very dark moment. 910 01:02:27,480 --> 01:02:29,760 But I was very, like, strong 911 01:02:29,840 --> 01:02:33,960 in the sense that I would never let anyone know what I was going through. 912 01:02:35,080 --> 01:02:36,480 A lot of the times, you know. 913 01:02:36,560 --> 01:02:38,400 Never mind that my mom-- I was never-- 914 01:02:38,480 --> 01:02:41,000 I had left, so-- You know. 915 01:02:41,080 --> 01:02:42,920 I didn’t feel-- 916 01:02:45,640 --> 01:02:48,920 I felt because of the fact that I wasn’t able to succeed, 917 01:02:49,000 --> 01:02:50,960 I had messed everything up. 918 01:02:51,040 --> 01:02:53,480 There was no point in me being around. 919 01:02:54,320 --> 01:02:57,920 So I disappeared for a period of time. 920 01:02:59,560 --> 01:03:02,600 Brisé, jeté, jeté, assemblé. 921 01:03:02,680 --> 01:03:04,920 Tours en, tours en. 922 01:03:05,000 --> 01:03:08,600 Ah, ah, ah, ah. Ah, ah. 923 01:03:08,680 --> 01:03:11,080 Attitude and attitude. 924 01:03:13,560 --> 01:03:14,720 Ta-da! 925 01:03:15,280 --> 01:03:16,920 My bow. 926 01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:18,480 Right? 927 01:03:52,600 --> 01:03:56,120 [man] And still so many people saw you and got inspired to be-- 928 01:03:56,200 --> 01:03:58,760 Still in awe. Still in awe. 929 01:03:58,840 --> 01:04:01,080 I was like, “How is that possible 930 01:04:01,160 --> 01:04:04,800 that so many people can be so inspired by me?” 931 01:04:04,880 --> 01:04:06,080 You know? 932 01:04:06,160 --> 01:04:10,720 Those weren’t my intentions at all-- to move so many people. 933 01:04:11,280 --> 01:04:12,840 And at the time I didn’t realize it. 934 01:04:12,920 --> 01:04:16,400 Till much later on in life, I didn’t realize what I had done. 935 01:04:17,320 --> 01:04:22,400 I said, “Wait a minute. You actually have touched people with what you’ve brought.” 936 01:04:24,720 --> 01:04:27,600 -Is that comforting now in a way? -Oh, yeah. 937 01:04:32,280 --> 01:04:34,520 If I have nothing else... 938 01:04:35,680 --> 01:04:38,320 that to me is enough. 939 01:04:40,360 --> 01:04:42,600 [no audio on video] 940 01:04:57,680 --> 01:05:00,320 [sighs] 941 01:05:03,480 --> 01:05:05,680 [chattering] 942 01:05:31,080 --> 01:05:32,280 Carlton. 943 01:05:32,360 --> 01:05:34,000 [chuckles] 944 01:05:34,720 --> 01:05:35,960 [hands clap] 945 01:05:37,160 --> 01:05:39,800 -Shut the fuck up. -How are you? 946 01:05:40,960 --> 01:05:44,840 -[kisses] -Oh, my God! 947 01:05:46,120 --> 01:05:47,600 Slam! 948 01:05:47,680 --> 01:05:49,440 Carlton, how are you? 949 01:05:49,520 --> 01:05:51,920 Jesus! Hi, grown man. Look at you. 950 01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:54,000 Ahh! 951 01:05:54,960 --> 01:05:56,880 -It’s bachelor number three. -Hi, brother! 952 01:05:56,960 --> 01:05:58,600 Luis! 953 01:05:59,240 --> 01:06:00,880 [Carlton] Oh, my God! 954 01:06:03,080 --> 01:06:05,840 -How are you? -I’m good. It’s so good to see you. 955 01:06:05,920 --> 01:06:07,280 -How are you? -Good. 956 01:06:07,360 --> 01:06:10,000 Take your glasses off. I want to see your eyes. 957 01:06:10,080 --> 01:06:11,760 No. Joking. 958 01:06:12,960 --> 01:06:14,720 Oh, my God. 959 01:06:18,360 --> 01:06:21,320 [Carlton] Wow! 960 01:06:23,520 --> 01:06:25,760 Hi, baby. How are you? 961 01:06:25,840 --> 01:06:28,840 -Who is this? -[all] Aw! 962 01:06:30,560 --> 01:06:32,640 [Carlton] Little jazz hands. 963 01:06:35,520 --> 01:06:37,440 Oh, my God! 964 01:06:38,880 --> 01:06:39,960 -Baby! -What’s up? 965 01:06:40,040 --> 01:06:41,480 Oh, my God! 966 01:06:41,560 --> 01:06:42,800 Like him. 967 01:06:42,880 --> 01:06:44,840 Oh, my goodness. 968 01:06:47,800 --> 01:06:49,920 Wait a minute. Wait. Hold up. 969 01:06:50,760 --> 01:06:52,400 Jose! 970 01:06:52,480 --> 01:06:55,000 -Wow! -Oh, my God! 971 01:06:55,080 --> 01:06:56,360 [Carlton] You look beautiful. 972 01:06:56,440 --> 01:06:58,960 -Oh, my God! -Hi, baby. 973 01:06:59,040 --> 01:07:00,840 -Oh, my God. I love your jacket. -Jose. 974 01:07:00,920 --> 01:07:03,200 [Carlton] It’s a beautiful jacket. 975 01:07:03,280 --> 01:07:04,800 How are you? 976 01:07:04,880 --> 01:07:06,960 -Jose. -Jose. 977 01:07:07,320 --> 01:07:08,800 [Kevin] Oh, you smell delicious. 978 01:07:11,440 --> 01:07:14,720 [Carlton] Oh, my God, dude. So good to see you. 979 01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:19,000 Oh! 980 01:07:19,640 --> 01:07:20,840 Hi, buddy. 981 01:07:20,920 --> 01:07:23,360 I’m like, look at this grown man. 982 01:07:23,440 --> 01:07:26,680 -[Salim] We all got-- We grew up. -Oh, my God, we grew up. 983 01:07:26,760 --> 01:07:28,080 [Carlton] Cheers! 984 01:07:28,160 --> 01:07:29,560 -[all] Cheers! -Wow. 985 01:07:29,640 --> 01:07:31,960 [Jose] To family and brotherhood, right?. 986 01:07:32,040 --> 01:07:34,880 -And sisterhood. With the exception of... -Let me tell you-- 987 01:07:34,960 --> 01:07:36,560 No numbers tonight. 988 01:07:36,640 --> 01:07:38,440 What is it, like, 25 years? 989 01:07:38,520 --> 01:07:41,040 Can’t we just say it’s a long time? 990 01:07:41,120 --> 01:07:44,800 I get the message that’s saying-- all of you guys-- 991 01:07:44,880 --> 01:07:47,440 -That tour changed my life. -[Salim] I know. I know. 992 01:07:47,520 --> 01:07:49,800 That movie changed my life. 993 01:07:49,880 --> 01:07:52,640 Each one of you guys. I mean-- 994 01:07:53,600 --> 01:07:56,400 -[Salim] I know. No, it’s true. -We weren’t aware of it though. 995 01:07:56,480 --> 01:07:59,360 -[Oliver] We weren’t-- We weren’t-- -I wasn’t aware of it neither. 996 01:07:59,440 --> 01:08:03,680 I had to do a lot of shit. That one finger was wrong, and she would, like, flip out. 997 01:08:03,760 --> 01:08:05,600 Same shit. Yeah, yeah. 998 01:08:05,680 --> 01:08:07,840 [all laughing] 999 01:08:08,720 --> 01:08:10,760 [chattering] 1000 01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:14,680 No, one night he was like, “I can’t see her hand. 1001 01:08:14,760 --> 01:08:17,160 I can’t see her hand.” I’m like, “Really?” 1002 01:08:17,240 --> 01:08:19,520 [chattering] 1003 01:08:21,160 --> 01:08:22,640 [Carlton] What was life like for you? 1004 01:08:22,720 --> 01:08:27,160 Like, how-- Did you feel a drop out, or was it challenging, or...? 1005 01:08:27,240 --> 01:08:30,319 It was weird. I felt like, because I started auditioning again, 1006 01:08:30,399 --> 01:08:32,680 but I felt like every time I walked into an audition, 1007 01:08:32,760 --> 01:08:35,479 I never walked into an audition as a regular dancer again. 1008 01:08:35,560 --> 01:08:37,279 It was always as a Madonna dancer. 1009 01:08:37,359 --> 01:08:40,920 And then they hated me for no reason. They didn’t know who I was. 1010 01:08:41,000 --> 01:08:42,920 -Or they hated her. -[Jose] Or loved you. 1011 01:08:43,000 --> 01:08:46,000 So I never walked into an audition again just as a good dancer. 1012 01:08:46,080 --> 01:08:49,160 -[Jose] As a regular dancer. -It was always that connected. 1013 01:08:49,240 --> 01:08:52,520 And it opened a lot of doors, but it was also a curse at the same time. 1014 01:08:52,600 --> 01:08:55,840 I would like for her to be here because it wasn’t just like-- 1015 01:08:55,920 --> 01:08:57,080 It was more-- 1016 01:08:57,160 --> 01:09:01,800 It wasn’t just like dancer and pop star, dancers working for a pop star. 1017 01:09:01,880 --> 01:09:03,840 -It got-- You know, like-- -[Oliver] Deeper. 1018 01:09:03,920 --> 01:09:05,319 Yeah, it got deeper. Exactly. 1019 01:09:05,399 --> 01:09:08,520 We became a family, and we were all young. 1020 01:09:08,600 --> 01:09:10,920 And for all of it to happen 1021 01:09:11,000 --> 01:09:14,200 and for then not to be anything after that, 1022 01:09:14,279 --> 01:09:16,200 whether it is to say, “Oh, you fucked up” 1023 01:09:16,279 --> 01:09:21,120 or, “You guys are a mess and I just couldn’t deal with you and your antics 1024 01:09:21,200 --> 01:09:22,840 and you and Luis and you guys. 1025 01:09:22,920 --> 01:09:26,040 It got too much. They sued me, and I was”-- 1026 01:09:26,120 --> 01:09:28,720 -Something. You know, just not nothing. -[Salim] Yeah, yeah. 1027 01:09:28,800 --> 01:09:32,040 I don’t feel like I have any-- I have no ill will to her at all. 1028 01:09:32,120 --> 01:09:37,319 I think the biggest shame or thing that I miss is the love. 1029 01:09:37,399 --> 01:09:41,160 I really do love her and I always have, and I’ve never said a bad word about her. 1030 01:09:41,240 --> 01:09:43,520 And I wish she was here 1031 01:09:43,600 --> 01:09:49,160 simply because I feel like it would be lovely to have the opportunity 1032 01:09:49,240 --> 01:09:50,880 to relate to her as an adult. 1033 01:09:51,760 --> 01:09:54,600 I don’t think she owes us any acknowledgement. 1034 01:09:55,320 --> 01:09:58,320 I think she gave us a fantastic opportunity. 1035 01:09:58,400 --> 01:10:00,320 And, you know-- 1036 01:10:03,720 --> 01:10:06,400 I mean, we’ve lived our lives. 1037 01:10:11,280 --> 01:10:12,440 I’m not-- 1038 01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:16,880 I’m just saying that she doesn’t really owe us anything. 1039 01:10:16,960 --> 01:10:19,040 -[Oliver] Anything. -You know what I’m saying? 1040 01:10:19,120 --> 01:10:23,480 I mean, what came out of that experience 1041 01:10:23,560 --> 01:10:25,880 was of our doing. 1042 01:10:26,640 --> 01:10:30,800 We became who we are today because of us. 1043 01:10:30,880 --> 01:10:32,000 You know what I’m saying? 1044 01:10:32,080 --> 01:10:36,760 And, you know, it was great that it happened with her. 1045 01:10:36,840 --> 01:10:40,000 It really was. It was a moment in time, you know. 1046 01:10:40,080 --> 01:10:44,800 And all the stars aligned correctly for me and Jose and for you guys. 1047 01:10:44,880 --> 01:10:50,520 I mean, you know, we were plucked out of nonexistence. 1048 01:10:50,600 --> 01:10:52,080 And we became-- 1049 01:10:52,160 --> 01:10:53,600 -[Jose] Existence. -Existence. 1050 01:10:53,680 --> 01:10:54,640 [Oliver] Guys. 1051 01:10:54,880 --> 01:10:57,560 Gabriel, I love you, so I want you to hear this. 1052 01:10:59,120 --> 01:11:02,720 You changed my life. 1053 01:11:03,840 --> 01:11:05,840 You changed my life, 1054 01:11:06,040 --> 01:11:10,760 because I came from the hood, which y’aII don’t understand, 1055 01:11:10,840 --> 01:11:12,800 from New Orleans, not N’awlins. 1056 01:11:12,880 --> 01:11:16,160 New Orleans, in the Lafayette Projects. 1057 01:11:16,960 --> 01:11:18,120 It wasn’t... 1058 01:11:20,440 --> 01:11:24,520 part of I heard of-- of gays, whatever, this and that. 1059 01:11:24,600 --> 01:11:28,280 And to come into the world... 1060 01:11:29,040 --> 01:11:30,480 of you guys... 1061 01:11:31,960 --> 01:11:35,600 I am so blessed and I’m so thankful. 1062 01:11:35,680 --> 01:11:38,880 You guys are like family to me, you know. 1063 01:11:39,480 --> 01:11:42,440 And no matter how many years have gone by, 1064 01:11:42,520 --> 01:11:44,560 like, I sit here now 1065 01:11:44,640 --> 01:11:47,240 and it’s like I never left you guys. 1066 01:11:49,920 --> 01:11:51,920 And I just don’t know why I’m emotional. 1067 01:11:52,000 --> 01:11:54,000 It’s not out of sadness or anything. 1068 01:11:54,080 --> 01:11:57,440 It’s, like, overwhelmingly love. 1069 01:11:57,520 --> 01:11:58,680 [Oliver] It’s cool. 1070 01:11:58,760 --> 01:12:00,680 It’s a lot of love. That’s all it is. 1071 01:12:00,760 --> 01:12:01,880 There’s no sadness. 1072 01:12:01,960 --> 01:12:05,000 It’s just like you guys are my brothers. 1073 01:12:05,080 --> 01:12:07,480 -[Carlton] So truth or dare, mister. -[Kevin] Oh, my God. 1074 01:12:07,560 --> 01:12:09,720 Uh, truth or dare. Uh, truth. 1075 01:12:09,800 --> 01:12:11,440 [Carlton] Truth. 1076 01:12:12,440 --> 01:12:13,800 What’s been the-- 1077 01:12:13,880 --> 01:12:17,480 What’s been the biggest thing of your life that you’ve had to overcome? 1078 01:12:18,520 --> 01:12:20,320 Uh, drugs and alcohol. 1079 01:12:22,040 --> 01:12:24,520 I think the only saving grace... 1080 01:12:25,320 --> 01:12:27,680 um, was my mom. 1081 01:12:28,680 --> 01:12:31,680 She sent me to Los Angeles to... 1082 01:12:32,600 --> 01:12:33,800 dry out. 1083 01:12:34,680 --> 01:12:36,480 And, um... 1084 01:12:38,080 --> 01:12:40,640 I was drying out off of heroin. 1085 01:12:40,720 --> 01:12:43,280 Heroin-- Heroin brought me to my knees. 1086 01:12:43,760 --> 01:12:44,800 Yeah. 1087 01:12:44,880 --> 01:12:50,800 Tell us what has been the greatest lesson you’ve learned in your life, 1088 01:12:50,880 --> 01:12:53,240 the greatest piece of wisdom that you’ve learned. 1089 01:12:56,400 --> 01:12:58,600 As far as what? Like-- 1090 01:12:58,680 --> 01:13:02,800 [Kevin] That you’ve learned. You tell us. What stands out as... 1091 01:13:07,280 --> 01:13:09,160 -Not to judge, I think. -[Kevin] Hmm. 1092 01:13:09,240 --> 01:13:12,440 The greatest piece of wisdom, yeah, not to judge anybody, yeah. 1093 01:13:12,520 --> 01:13:15,600 And just knowing that everybody goes through something, 1094 01:13:15,680 --> 01:13:17,640 and everybody act at the end, you know-- 1095 01:13:17,720 --> 01:13:21,200 Everybody’s going through something and not just really to judge them. 1096 01:13:21,280 --> 01:13:24,840 That’s the greatest thing, I think, I’ve learned in my life so far, 1097 01:13:24,920 --> 01:13:27,760 being 46 years old, yeah. 1098 01:13:27,840 --> 01:13:29,280 Truth, right? 1099 01:13:29,360 --> 01:13:30,400 If you-- 1100 01:13:30,480 --> 01:13:32,560 Now that you’re in a slightly different place 1101 01:13:32,640 --> 01:13:34,560 around the whole gayness... 1102 01:13:35,200 --> 01:13:38,560 if you were to have sex with a man, 1103 01:13:38,640 --> 01:13:40,440 which guy at this table would it be? 1104 01:13:40,520 --> 01:13:42,160 -[laughter] -[Jose] Oh, my God. 1105 01:13:42,240 --> 01:13:43,160 Okay. 1106 01:13:43,240 --> 01:13:45,360 There’s no answer to that. 1107 01:13:45,440 --> 01:13:47,840 Let me finish. The reason why? 1108 01:13:48,600 --> 01:13:54,280 Because you, you, you, you, you and you are my brothers. 1109 01:13:54,360 --> 01:13:56,240 -Okay, but that’s not-- -No, no. 1110 01:13:56,320 --> 01:13:57,240 No, no, no. 1111 01:13:57,320 --> 01:13:59,320 The question is truth or dare. 1112 01:13:59,840 --> 01:14:02,400 -The game is Truth or Dare. -And you said truth. 1113 01:14:02,480 --> 01:14:04,840 -I said truth. -And I gave you a truth to answer. 1114 01:14:04,920 --> 01:14:06,080 -Yes. -Which one? 1115 01:14:06,160 --> 01:14:08,280 Not would you or wouldn’t you. 1116 01:14:08,360 --> 01:14:12,880 The question was, which one would you do if you had to? 1117 01:14:12,960 --> 01:14:14,040 -Okay. -[Kevin] Choose. Just choose. 1118 01:14:14,120 --> 01:14:16,160 -And why? -Okay. All of you. 1119 01:14:16,240 --> 01:14:17,760 No. Which one? One. 1120 01:14:17,840 --> 01:14:19,680 -[Salim] You can only pick one. -One. 1121 01:14:20,480 --> 01:14:22,440 -[Salim] And we’re not judging you. -Yeah. 1122 01:14:22,520 --> 01:14:24,000 -[Salim] Hypothetically speaking. -I got to go by one? 1123 01:14:24,080 --> 01:14:26,120 -[Salim] Yes. Just one. -Yes. And why. 1124 01:14:26,200 --> 01:14:27,480 [Jose] And why. 1125 01:14:28,840 --> 01:14:29,880 Gabriel. 1126 01:14:31,640 --> 01:14:33,200 [Jose] Okay. Why? 1127 01:14:33,280 --> 01:14:34,720 -Why? -[Kevin] Yeah. 1128 01:14:37,560 --> 01:14:39,280 [Kevin] Because he is forever younger than all of us. 1129 01:14:39,360 --> 01:14:40,800 [laughter] 1130 01:14:40,880 --> 01:14:43,000 -[Carlton] Why? -[Luis] Because he’s not here. 1131 01:14:43,080 --> 01:14:44,440 -[Carlton] Why? -No. 1132 01:14:47,720 --> 01:14:49,400 ’Cause he was innocent. 1133 01:14:49,960 --> 01:14:51,920 -Hmm. -To me. 1134 01:14:52,440 --> 01:14:53,320 Okay. 1135 01:14:53,920 --> 01:14:55,920 [Luis] Slam, truth or dare? 1136 01:14:56,600 --> 01:14:58,720 [Oliver] He drunk. ’Cause you’re slurping. 1137 01:14:58,800 --> 01:14:59,800 [slurping] 1138 01:15:00,480 --> 01:15:03,400 Truth, truth. ’Cause I don’t want to kiss anybody, no. 1139 01:15:03,480 --> 01:15:05,760 You’re like all my sisters. I take truth. 1140 01:15:06,040 --> 01:15:08,320 You can take dare, and you can go ahead and kiss me. It’s okay. 1141 01:15:08,400 --> 01:15:10,680 No, no. I don’t want to kiss you. Look. 1142 01:15:11,760 --> 01:15:14,360 -I’ll take truth. -[Luis] All right. 1143 01:15:14,440 --> 01:15:16,520 What is your biggest fear? 1144 01:15:18,000 --> 01:15:19,040 [Kevin] Wow. 1145 01:15:19,120 --> 01:15:22,360 What’s my biggest fear? Uh... 1146 01:15:25,680 --> 01:15:27,560 Uh, to say it, I’m gonna look at Jose 1147 01:15:27,640 --> 01:15:30,520 because, you know, you give me the biggest strength always. 1148 01:15:30,600 --> 01:15:34,320 I think my biggest fear is and was-- 1149 01:15:34,960 --> 01:15:39,200 was always to find out for people that I was HIV positive. 1150 01:15:40,120 --> 01:15:41,520 That has been my biggest fear. 1151 01:15:41,600 --> 01:15:46,480 I was diagnosed in 1987, yeah, being HIV positive. 1152 01:15:46,560 --> 01:15:48,840 And I think that was my biggest fear always-- 1153 01:15:48,920 --> 01:15:52,200 for people to find out, yeah. 1154 01:15:52,280 --> 01:15:54,480 And I feel so, you know-- It’s like, I don’t know. 1155 01:15:54,560 --> 01:15:58,040 I never wanted to share this story with anybody else but you guys, you know. 1156 01:15:58,120 --> 01:16:01,680 I mean, I was, yeah, diagnosed in ’87, 1157 01:16:01,840 --> 01:16:07,200 and, you know, finally in 2015, you know, I just-- I want to be free, you know. 1158 01:16:07,280 --> 01:16:09,440 [Kevin] Oh, honey. 1159 01:16:10,120 --> 01:16:11,200 [sniffles] 1160 01:16:11,280 --> 01:16:14,800 You too. You too. You too. 1161 01:16:14,880 --> 01:16:17,040 -And, you know, it’s like three people. -[Kevin] Oh, my God. 1162 01:16:17,120 --> 01:16:18,280 I know. I know. 1163 01:16:18,360 --> 01:16:22,640 And it was my first sexual experience. Yeah. 1164 01:16:23,440 --> 01:16:26,480 ’Cause, you know, I just didn’t know anything about it, yeah. 1165 01:16:26,560 --> 01:16:28,880 [Luis] Well, the good news is that you’re living proof 1166 01:16:28,960 --> 01:16:30,080 that it’s not a death sentence. 1167 01:16:30,160 --> 01:16:32,400 I know, and that’s why I’m telling my story 1168 01:16:32,480 --> 01:16:35,160 ’cause, you know, I wanna share my story like Carlton, you know. 1169 01:16:35,240 --> 01:16:37,680 I just want to share with him, yeah, yeah. 1170 01:16:37,760 --> 01:16:40,680 -[sobbing] -I can’t believe we all heard this. 1171 01:16:42,600 --> 01:16:44,560 And I always wanted to tell somebody, you know-- 1172 01:16:44,640 --> 01:16:48,240 -[Oliver] Oh, my God. Thank you. -But it’s hard, you know. 1173 01:16:48,320 --> 01:16:49,760 -[Oliver] Thank you. -And I never-- I never-- 1174 01:16:49,840 --> 01:16:52,440 I just knew the moment would come. 1175 01:16:52,520 --> 01:16:55,400 I just, you know-- It was just never the right time, you know. 1176 01:16:55,480 --> 01:17:00,240 Can I say something to both of y’all outside of Truth or Dare? 1177 01:17:00,320 --> 01:17:01,680 With us. 1178 01:17:01,760 --> 01:17:04,920 Can I say something on the outside of this? 1179 01:17:05,760 --> 01:17:09,680 If this was before Madonna, I would be afraid of this. 1180 01:17:10,520 --> 01:17:11,960 I wouldn’t-- 1181 01:17:13,480 --> 01:17:15,800 -Oh, my God. -[Luis] And how do you feel about it now? 1182 01:17:15,880 --> 01:17:20,400 Oh, my God. It’s a beautiful thing to come out and express yourself 1183 01:17:20,480 --> 01:17:22,200 because you’re holding something in. 1184 01:17:22,280 --> 01:17:24,200 Yeah, yeah, yeah. And, you know, I just-- 1185 01:17:24,280 --> 01:17:26,160 And-- Oh, my God, dude. 1186 01:17:26,240 --> 01:17:30,120 [Salim] Yeah. But at the same time, you know, it’s been a blessing, you know, 1187 01:17:30,200 --> 01:17:33,760 because it’s like-- it’s made me who I am, you know. 1188 01:17:33,840 --> 01:17:35,480 It just like-- It changed so many things. 1189 01:17:35,560 --> 01:17:38,520 But, you know, when that moment that you get diagnosed, 1190 01:17:38,600 --> 01:17:42,120 you know, it’s just like your whole world falls in, you know. 1191 01:17:42,200 --> 01:17:43,560 [Carlton] No, but I just want you to know 1192 01:17:43,640 --> 01:17:48,440 there is a massive degree of new light for all that you’re doing 1193 01:17:48,520 --> 01:17:50,760 that’s going to happen because you took this move today. 1194 01:17:50,840 --> 01:17:53,040 -Yeah. -It really is amazing, Slam. 1195 01:17:53,120 --> 01:17:55,840 -Thank you. -Yeah, absolutely. 1196 01:17:57,640 --> 01:18:00,560 [piano intro] 1197 01:18:19,280 --> 01:18:24,680 [man] ♪ There is a house built out of stone ♪ 1198 01:18:27,280 --> 01:18:33,120 ♪ Wooden floors, walls and window sills ♪ 1199 01:18:36,160 --> 01:18:41,880 ♪ Tables and chairs worn by all of the dust ♪ 1200 01:18:44,040 --> 01:18:50,000 ♪ This is a place where I don’t feel alone ♪ 1201 01:18:54,120 --> 01:18:59,640 ♪ This is a place where I feel at home ♪ 1202 01:18:59,720 --> 01:19:01,040 Four, five! 1203 01:19:01,560 --> 01:19:03,840 Ha! I’m not mad at that! 1204 01:19:03,920 --> 01:19:07,160 If you gotta get another thing and you wanna get “vroom” as your last pose, 1205 01:19:07,240 --> 01:19:08,240 work it out. 1206 01:19:24,680 --> 01:19:27,800 ♪ I ♪ 1207 01:19:27,880 --> 01:19:29,360 ♪ Built ♪ 1208 01:19:30,480 --> 01:19:32,720 ♪ A home ♪ 1209 01:19:33,880 --> 01:19:35,960 ♪ For you ♪ 1210 01:19:37,040 --> 01:19:40,320 ♪ For me ♪ 1211 01:19:42,240 --> 01:19:45,360 You want it to read. Body language is everything, okay? 1212 01:19:45,440 --> 01:19:46,960 So come on. Let’s take it again. 1213 01:19:47,040 --> 01:19:48,960 Five, six, 1214 01:19:49,040 --> 01:19:51,040 five, six, seven, 1215 01:19:51,120 --> 01:19:52,800 and real slow, 1216 01:19:52,880 --> 01:19:54,960 slow, slow. 1217 01:19:55,040 --> 01:19:56,520 La, la. 1218 01:19:56,600 --> 01:19:58,480 Good. La, la. 1219 01:19:58,560 --> 01:20:00,160 Last one. 1220 01:20:00,240 --> 01:20:01,720 Be proud. 1221 01:20:01,800 --> 01:20:04,040 You know, be proud, whatever it is. 1222 01:20:04,120 --> 01:20:06,480 ’Cause everyone is someone. 1223 01:20:08,800 --> 01:20:10,040 Yeah! 1224 01:20:13,520 --> 01:20:16,240 One of the things that we do every year 1225 01:20:16,320 --> 01:20:21,000 is to honor someone that grew up with Jazz Camp, 1226 01:20:21,080 --> 01:20:25,640 um, was a very important part of the legacy of this program: 1227 01:20:25,720 --> 01:20:28,360 Mr. Gabriel Trupin, 1228 01:20:28,440 --> 01:20:32,760 who was the son of our beloved Sue Trupin. 1229 01:20:32,840 --> 01:20:34,880 [applause] 1230 01:20:41,960 --> 01:20:48,200 ♪ When the gusts came around to blow me down ♪ 1231 01:20:50,640 --> 01:20:56,920 ♪ I held on as tightly as you held on me ♪ 1232 01:20:59,400 --> 01:21:06,640 ♪ I held on as tightly as you held on me ♪ 1233 01:21:26,200 --> 01:21:29,360 ♪ And I ♪ 1234 01:21:29,880 --> 01:21:31,360 ♪ Built ♪ 1235 01:21:32,400 --> 01:21:34,480 ♪ A home ♪ 1236 01:21:35,560 --> 01:21:37,400 ♪ For you ♪ 1237 01:21:38,800 --> 01:21:42,400 ♪ For me ♪ 1238 01:21:42,480 --> 01:21:45,320 ♪ Until ♪ 1239 01:21:45,400 --> 01:21:50,960 ♪ It disappeared ♪ 1240 01:21:51,720 --> 01:21:53,920 ♪ From me ♪ 1241 01:21:54,880 --> 01:21:58,680 ♪ From you ♪ 1242 01:21:58,760 --> 01:22:01,400 ♪ And now ♪ 1243 01:22:01,480 --> 01:22:03,560 ♪ It’s time ♪ 1244 01:22:04,720 --> 01:22:10,560 ♪ To leave ♪ 1245 01:22:10,640 --> 01:22:13,800 ♪ And turn ♪ 1246 01:22:14,800 --> 01:22:20,280 ♪ To dust ♪